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		<title>By: George C</title>
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		<dc:creator>George C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Jan 2010 20:09:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In my Columbus, Ohio neighborhood, the landlords I know have a nearly 100% failure rate with tenants. This is because responsible people buy and people with problems rent. Then the landlords stop putting money into the houses and they rapidle deteriorate. When houses in a neighborhood go rental, it means the end of that neighborhood as a nice place to live. People see real estate shows on TV, drink the kool-aid and think they&#039;ll get rich being landlords. All they do is wreck properties and lose their money. Its a fool&#039;s game...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In my Columbus, Ohio neighborhood, the landlords I know have a nearly 100% failure rate with tenants. This is because responsible people buy and people with problems rent. Then the landlords stop putting money into the houses and they rapidle deteriorate. When houses in a neighborhood go rental, it means the end of that neighborhood as a nice place to live. People see real estate shows on TV, drink the kool-aid and think they&#8217;ll get rich being landlords. All they do is wreck properties and lose their money. Its a fool&#8217;s game&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Scott Scott</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Dec 2009 20:51:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for writing this article. I too have experienced a bad streak in renting one of my units. The last tenants trashed the place after I evicted them through the courts, the previous tenant reached a settlement before going all the way through an eviction, and also trashed the place (2 full interior paint jobs in 8 months for me). I am almost ready to turn the place into a sober living house, put 4 beds in each room, charge 700 for each bed per month. And make sure that the just paroled drug program tenants have chores, along with painting and cleaning. Abide by the rules or leave. Since the neighborhood has turned to crap anyway, us landlord should take advantage of the situation. So, for a 3 bedroom house, thats 12 beds, with a rental value of about 6 times the average monthly rate for the area. Most of the tenants will be leaving since they will violate parole, and the state of california will pay for their stay.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for writing this article. I too have experienced a bad streak in renting one of my units. The last tenants trashed the place after I evicted them through the courts, the previous tenant reached a settlement before going all the way through an eviction, and also trashed the place (2 full interior paint jobs in 8 months for me). I am almost ready to turn the place into a sober living house, put 4 beds in each room, charge 700 for each bed per month. And make sure that the just paroled drug program tenants have chores, along with painting and cleaning. Abide by the rules or leave. Since the neighborhood has turned to crap anyway, us landlord should take advantage of the situation. So, for a 3 bedroom house, thats 12 beds, with a rental value of about 6 times the average monthly rate for the area. Most of the tenants will be leaving since they will violate parole, and the state of california will pay for their stay.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott Ficek</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott Ficek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 13:51:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have never used this service.  Quality of tenants is many factors.  Most significant is the location of the property.  Tenants in North Mpls are very different than Edina.  Not to say there are not bad tenants in Edina and great ones in North, but they are just different.  Also, I have found that the amount of rent and the quality of the property also drives how good of a tenant you get.

Lastly, make sure you are doing a very thorough screening.  If at any time, something doesn&#039;t smell right, do not rent to them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have never used this service.  Quality of tenants is many factors.  Most significant is the location of the property.  Tenants in North Mpls are very different than Edina.  Not to say there are not bad tenants in Edina and great ones in North, but they are just different.  Also, I have found that the amount of rent and the quality of the property also drives how good of a tenant you get.</p>
<p>Lastly, make sure you are doing a very thorough screening.  If at any time, something doesn&#8217;t smell right, do not rent to them.</p>
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		<title>By: W Graham</title>
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		<dc:creator>W Graham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Oct 2009 17:30:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sure would like to keep this post alive! I have a question though. I have been so disgusted lately about the amount of rent-chasing, excuses, and middle-of-the-night move outs. I have stumbled upon bad-tenants.org and wonder if that is the best/only free reporting agency available. Do any of you use this service or do you use another? Thanks for all the great info!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sure would like to keep this post alive! I have a question though. I have been so disgusted lately about the amount of rent-chasing, excuses, and middle-of-the-night move outs. I have stumbled upon bad-tenants.org and wonder if that is the best/only free reporting agency available. Do any of you use this service or do you use another? Thanks for all the great info!</p>
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		<title>By: Scott Ficek</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott Ficek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2009 17:52:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>With all your questions, I am fine with most of those issues if they have been in the past (more than 2 years prior).  The only one that I still would not rent to is a violent crime felon, regardless of time in past (maybe with the exception if it was 15+ years prior with no other issues on his/her application).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With all your questions, I am fine with most of those issues if they have been in the past (more than 2 years prior).  The only one that I still would not rent to is a violent crime felon, regardless of time in past (maybe with the exception if it was 15+ years prior with no other issues on his/her application).</p>
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		<title>By: John Charles Wilson</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Charles Wilson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 17:19:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I forgot all about the post I made previously to this board, just thought I&#039;d clarify some of the issues I brought up.

(I&#039;ll be using the same numbers from my original post so some numbers are skipped as I feel no need to comment on them):

4. I&#039;ve always given proper notice to leave a place. I&#039;ve lived mostly in residential hotels (zero notice required) and month-to-month tenancies (30 days required). The few times I&#039;ve been stuck on a lease, I&#039;ve somehow stuck it out. I&#039;m on a lease now but I&#039;m in a *good* situation, no desire to leave.

5. I wouldn&#039;t even try to rent at $650/mo. + $150/mo. utilities on my income. My current place is $449/mo. + $14-70/mo. utilities depending on the season, and I have a hard time but I&#039;m making it. However, a rigid 3 times rule would limit me to $333/mo. (at the time I wrote the original; $354/mo. now). That would leave me no option but a rooming house, exactly the kind of place where I have neighbour problems. The problems I&#039;ve had with neighbours weren&#039;t the kind that could be &quot;worked out&quot; because the neighbours hated and harassed me for who I am intrinsically. I did my best to get along with them. I find the only feasible places for me to live are where people mind their own business. It seems the only way to get that is a self-contained apartment with its own kitchen and bath because shared facilities force &quot;social&quot; interaction.

6. I admit I have problems in this area, but it&#039;s not that I&#039;m *deliberately* nasty, I just don&#039;t have a &quot;clean&quot; mentality. I&#039;m just &quot;wired differently&quot; in this regard. &quot;Keeping up&quot; a place
day to day is just too taxing for me (the best metaphor would be how someone who doesn&#039;t exercise would view doing a daily gym workout). That said, I intellectually understand that most of society cares and I *try* to accommodate that the best I can, but in practice that usually means when I leave.

7. I don&#039;t have any illegal sources of income. The reason I put (legal) in parentheses is that I understand there are legitimate reasons to discriminate on the basis of illegal income. For example, you probably don&#039;t want to rent to a drug dealer. Of course there may be other types of &quot;illegal&quot; income (in the sense of &quot;unofficial&quot; or &quot;undeclared&quot;, not necessarily where the activity producing the income is inherently criminal or disruptive) a tenant might have... which is another reason why the &quot;three times rule&quot; bothers me.

Some other comments based on comments other people have made:

A. What if someone has an eviction or something else bad but it was a couple of places back, and they did everything right at their last residence? Should that be taken into account?

B. What if the circumstances that caused the past problems have changed? For example, someone who had trouble paying rent due to low income in the past but recently got a major increase in their income? Or someone who caused trouble due to drugs or alcohol who is now clean and sober?

3. As to criminal pasts, what if it was long ago and appears to not be a current pattern? I know someone who was denied an apartment because they stole a car *14 years ago* even though they&#039;ve had no trouble since. Is that reasonable?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I forgot all about the post I made previously to this board, just thought I&#8217;d clarify some of the issues I brought up.</p>
<p>(I&#8217;ll be using the same numbers from my original post so some numbers are skipped as I feel no need to comment on them):</p>
<p>4. I&#8217;ve always given proper notice to leave a place. I&#8217;ve lived mostly in residential hotels (zero notice required) and month-to-month tenancies (30 days required). The few times I&#8217;ve been stuck on a lease, I&#8217;ve somehow stuck it out. I&#8217;m on a lease now but I&#8217;m in a *good* situation, no desire to leave.</p>
<p>5. I wouldn&#8217;t even try to rent at $650/mo. + $150/mo. utilities on my income. My current place is $449/mo. + $14-70/mo. utilities depending on the season, and I have a hard time but I&#8217;m making it. However, a rigid 3 times rule would limit me to $333/mo. (at the time I wrote the original; $354/mo. now). That would leave me no option but a rooming house, exactly the kind of place where I have neighbour problems. The problems I&#8217;ve had with neighbours weren&#8217;t the kind that could be &#8220;worked out&#8221; because the neighbours hated and harassed me for who I am intrinsically. I did my best to get along with them. I find the only feasible places for me to live are where people mind their own business. It seems the only way to get that is a self-contained apartment with its own kitchen and bath because shared facilities force &#8220;social&#8221; interaction.</p>
<p>6. I admit I have problems in this area, but it&#8217;s not that I&#8217;m *deliberately* nasty, I just don&#8217;t have a &#8220;clean&#8221; mentality. I&#8217;m just &#8220;wired differently&#8221; in this regard. &#8220;Keeping up&#8221; a place<br />
day to day is just too taxing for me (the best metaphor would be how someone who doesn&#8217;t exercise would view doing a daily gym workout). That said, I intellectually understand that most of society cares and I *try* to accommodate that the best I can, but in practice that usually means when I leave.</p>
<p>7. I don&#8217;t have any illegal sources of income. The reason I put (legal) in parentheses is that I understand there are legitimate reasons to discriminate on the basis of illegal income. For example, you probably don&#8217;t want to rent to a drug dealer. Of course there may be other types of &#8220;illegal&#8221; income (in the sense of &#8220;unofficial&#8221; or &#8220;undeclared&#8221;, not necessarily where the activity producing the income is inherently criminal or disruptive) a tenant might have&#8230; which is another reason why the &#8220;three times rule&#8221; bothers me.</p>
<p>Some other comments based on comments other people have made:</p>
<p>A. What if someone has an eviction or something else bad but it was a couple of places back, and they did everything right at their last residence? Should that be taken into account?</p>
<p>B. What if the circumstances that caused the past problems have changed? For example, someone who had trouble paying rent due to low income in the past but recently got a major increase in their income? Or someone who caused trouble due to drugs or alcohol who is now clean and sober?</p>
<p>3. As to criminal pasts, what if it was long ago and appears to not be a current pattern? I know someone who was denied an apartment because they stole a car *14 years ago* even though they&#8217;ve had no trouble since. Is that reasonable?</p>
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		<title>By: Tenant Screening</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tenant Screening</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 14:21:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love your article, and couldn&#039;t agree more!  It is very hard to take personalization out of the equation when renting an investment and keep it purely business.  The same hot buttons hit me when it&#039;s a single mom who can&#039;t afford the property.  If they can&#039;t afford it, they are making a poor business decision by even trying and any landlord who lets them in is doing them a disservice.  It may not seem that way, and it&#039;s easy to make excuses to that end, but just say no.

I&#039;ll also throw in there, because I didn&#039;t see it in the article.  Screening tenants is vitally important.  An applicant can lie all the way to sunset on their application and seem nice as can be.  They can say they have always paid their bills on time all their life and they are a perfect citizen.  But their screening reports may tell a different story.  Always screen all adults moving in and if the screening results differ from the application they filled in, it&#039;s a HUGE red flag.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love your article, and couldn&#8217;t agree more!  It is very hard to take personalization out of the equation when renting an investment and keep it purely business.  The same hot buttons hit me when it&#8217;s a single mom who can&#8217;t afford the property.  If they can&#8217;t afford it, they are making a poor business decision by even trying and any landlord who lets them in is doing them a disservice.  It may not seem that way, and it&#8217;s easy to make excuses to that end, but just say no.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll also throw in there, because I didn&#8217;t see it in the article.  Screening tenants is vitally important.  An applicant can lie all the way to sunset on their application and seem nice as can be.  They can say they have always paid their bills on time all their life and they are a perfect citizen.  But their screening reports may tell a different story.  Always screen all adults moving in and if the screening results differ from the application they filled in, it&#8217;s a HUGE red flag.</p>
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		<title>By: Minnesota Refinance Guy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Minnesota Refinance Guy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jun 2009 05:16:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One other good tip...if the renter does not call you and doesn&#039;t completely trash the place then they get their damage deposit back in full, no questions asked.  Having this policy will free up more of your time than it will cost you in money so you can focus on finding the next investment property in MN to buy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One other good tip&#8230;if the renter does not call you and doesn&#8217;t completely trash the place then they get their damage deposit back in full, no questions asked.  Having this policy will free up more of your time than it will cost you in money so you can focus on finding the next investment property in MN to buy.</p>
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		<title>By: Minnesota Refinance Guy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Minnesota Refinance Guy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jun 2009 05:14:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hi Scott, I have refinanced several properties for a friend of mine in St Paul who has several rentals in como and he has shared a few tips in no particular order:
1.  If they don&#039;t have first and last plus damage deposit available in a cashier&#039;s check, walk away before showing.
2.  Make rent due by the 5th with a reduction for paying by the 1st.  (i.e. rent is 950 due on the 5th, rent received before the 1st is only 900)
3.  Under no circumstance be lenient with a tenant.  This only encourages and ok&#039;s future bad behavior.  

4.  Allow tenants to make any repair for under 25 dollars (or 50 or 100 depending on the tenant) to your property and deduct it from the rent with a receipt.  Have heard that people will call you, as the landlord, for a light bulb burnt out.  Having a policy like this for small items saves you time.  

I hope these tips help you and your readers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hi Scott, I have refinanced several properties for a friend of mine in St Paul who has several rentals in como and he has shared a few tips in no particular order:<br />
1.  If they don&#8217;t have first and last plus damage deposit available in a cashier&#8217;s check, walk away before showing.<br />
2.  Make rent due by the 5th with a reduction for paying by the 1st.  (i.e. rent is 950 due on the 5th, rent received before the 1st is only 900)<br />
3.  Under no circumstance be lenient with a tenant.  This only encourages and ok&#8217;s future bad behavior.  </p>
<p>4.  Allow tenants to make any repair for under 25 dollars (or 50 or 100 depending on the tenant) to your property and deduct it from the rent with a receipt.  Have heard that people will call you, as the landlord, for a light bulb burnt out.  Having a policy like this for small items saves you time.  </p>
<p>I hope these tips help you and your readers.</p>
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		<title>By: Missy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Missy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 May 2009 03:26:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Have you checked out the website http://nopaytenants.com/ for people you don&#039;t want to rent to?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Have you checked out the website <a href="http://nopaytenants.com/" rel="nofollow">http://nopaytenants.com/</a> for people you don&#8217;t want to rent to?</p>
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